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Need some help picking parts - and ram questions
Hi there, so I built a PC a little over 5 years ago, and recently have had some trouble with it, pretty sure I know what's wrong but I haven't kept up to date and need some opinions on what hardware to get.
My current PC consists of
Cooler: Corsair h100i
MB: Asus Sabertooth Z97 Mark 2
PSU: Corsair CX750M
GPU: GTX 970
RAM: I think it's corsair ram - tbh I don't know the brand but its DDR3-1866MHZ or something like that lol
A few months ago it auto restarted. Not like a normal windows restart though, it just turned off, and turned back on automatically. Kind of like if I pulled the plug, then plugged it back in and pressed the Power button. My first guess was PSU. I grabbed a new CX750M from bestbuy (has always worked well for me, it was in a previous PC before this so its probably a little over 6 years old, and I used my PC for probably 6+ hours a day for gaming and general internet purposes, so i figured it served its purpose and was happy with its performance) but that didn't end up working, so either its faulty from the factory, or that isn't my issue. I assume that's not my issue, its extremely unlikely for a new PSU, even if its faulty, to give me the exact same issue I would think.
The issue still happens without the GPU, I was using integrated graphics and got the same problem. Even if I boot to BIOS it auto restarts, so it's not any weird data corruption or viruses (I dont think, it shouldnt be able to affect the bios, right?)
So that leaves the MB, CPU, and RAM to be the potentional problems.
Overheating could be an issue but I was able to get in and on idle hardware monitor reported 40C temps for my CPU, so i was happy with that. It's probably on the higher side for idle, but certainly no where near hot enough to shut off a PC.
Basically, my first question is, what do you think the most likely culprit is?
My next question is what hardware should I get? I was thinking its probably my MB and was gonna just replace that, but I can't find any good boards, all I see is micro-atx boards for lga 1150 socket, but all I've looked is on amazon. I'm probably ready for a new CPU anyways.
I was looking at the i9-9900K but don't see the point. Sure, I get 16 threads for hyperthreading, but I'm gaming mostly, so I'm mostly concerned for the gaming peformance, and most games afaik aren't really using multiple threads, and those that do don't use more than 6 cores, so the 16 cores doesn't really matter. I do generally have like a hundred google chrome tabs open, literally, not an exaggeration. I currently have 4 cores 8 threads, and I'm considering an i7-9700k so this new CPU should handle that exactly the same, right? My 4790k is like a 4ghz base clock speed with 4.4 turbo. The 9700k is like 3.6 base clock but a 4.9 turbo. That is a higher boost speed, so I should get an increase in performance because if it needs the speeds for anything, gaming, 100 chrome tabs, whatever, it will pull up to 4.9? I've heard the 9700k is almost identical to the 9900k and the specs are very similar, 9700k boosts to 4.9 and the 9900k to 5.0. Of course 9900k has hyperthreading but I'm not sure how valuable that is.
Also, will my h100i fit that? Will I need an adapter? I looked up stuff about the h100i and it says it will fit the socket, but I don't have the box anymore...do I need any adapters it came with, I may have them somewhere but honestly I dont know where and it would be easier to buy an adapter if its relatively cheap, so if someone can point me in that direction that would be great.
My next question, and the main question I'm posting here is regarding RAM.
So like, I run ddr3 at 1866mhz. The intel page says the 9700k's max memory size is 128GB (depending on memory) and DDR4-2666 MHZ. Is that the minimum MHZ I have to use, or the maximum it allows? I see tons of posts saying to use at least 3200MHZ ram, but it says 2666mhz, so I'm a bit confused. This page also says it only allows up to 64GB, which one is correct? I know motherboards also have RAM Limits, so do I just worry about motherboard limitations? If so, what's the point of CPU Ram limits?
If my CPU allows 64GB and a motherboard allows 128, will the computer recognize and utilize 128GB of ram, or 64? How do the speeds work, I'm assuming with the CPU it has to be above 2666mhz and it has to be below whatever the motherboard ram limitation is. So like CPU is 2666 and Motherboard is 4400 like on this one, I can go up to 4400 and be okay?
The intel ark page also says it only supports 4k at 60hz, is that just referring to the integrated graphics, or even with a GPU will I only be able to achieve 4k at 60hz? (Im not looking for anything higher, I play at 1080 anyways, was juts wondering)
Sorry for all the questions, I'm a bit behind on the tech.
I think this is my last set of questions for the motherboard - will update if I have more.
What would you do for the motherboard? I really enjoyed my ASUS Sabertooth Z97 mark 2. It had some really interesting tech, like once a neighbor gave me a PC that wouldn't boot, it just started up and shut of and I tossed the hard drive in my computer and for some reason it actually allowed me to boot, but it also told me that the hard drive was failing. I got him a new hard drive, installed it and it booted fine, really weird issue. It was called like S.M.A.R.T technology or something. Is this standard issue in most motherboards these days?
Is there a standard for which slots perform duel channel, or do I just need to check the manual? Like slots 1-3 or 2-4?
Is m.2 worth it? I'm kind of limited on MB options. I have like 6 hard or 7 hard drives, I honestly dont know - I think I have 6 lol. I could get rid of 1 or two of them, but I have a LOT of games, and generally get all the newer titles, many of them being well over 100GB in space, so its nice to have a lot of space. I have a 250GB Samsung 860 evo. Something like that, may be an 850. I use that for my OS, and thats about it. Lots of junk ends up in there from all the games and programs I download, I install them to other places but they still need to store information there, so its nice to just leave it by itself. I have a 500GB SSD and 1TB SSD that I use for games - there is no increase in performance despite what anyone tells you, at least there isn't for me, or a buddy of mine that does the same thing, but it will decrease load times in games with long loading screens. Then I have a 1TB Seagate drive from a dell computer from like 7 years ago, I'll probably chuck that, pretty sure its dying, I think I've lost data off of that. I have a 4TB WD Drive, and a 2TB Hybrid drive, possibly from seagate, not sure what brand. I'd like to keep all of those, but if I get an m.2 drive to put my OS on, it takes away 1, or possible two of the sata ports from what I've read. Is it worth it to get one, or is increase from a Samsung 850 EVO not worth it/impossible to actually see? I could just replace the 850 evo, and just use it in another project down the line, just wondering if its worth the 150 bucks or whatever, not sure how much they are I havent even looked at prices.
Also I was wondering - What can I do to get more sata ports? I have some cheap PCI sata "controller" thing, I havent tested actual performance it just has the 1TB Seagate on it, but apparently it decreases read and write speeds quite a bit unless I buy an expensive one for a few hundred dollars? Are there alternatives, or is that bullshit, do they work fine?
Do you have any motherboard recommendations? I've heard good things about this:
I really liked my ASUS board, also in the "TUF" series, but whatever works, works.
I know they have different tech and what not in them, those aren't the only 3 im considering - just the only 3 I've looked at lol. What board would you recommend?
I've also never heard my current board (Asus Sabertooth Z97 mark 2) give off any beeps for POST Codes. It does have red lights, when trying to boot there are 4 or 5 lights that light up red. It used to have 2 red lights even when I first got it I'm pretty sure, it at least has the past year or two that I've been able to remember, I'm not sure if it was as many though. I know some motherboards have like small displays for POST codes and stuff, although I hope I don't run into too many issues, those are probably more for test benches and stuff. Anyways, what would you recommend, is there any specific tech I should look for in a motherboard? Does the chipset matter, like does the most recent chipset have any advantage over older ones? I may need a BIOS update with older ones, I know that, but is there an actual advantage in the specs, or no? If not, what do the different chipsets do?
Also - I'm not really on a budget. I mean I don't have endless money lol, hence why I don't already have a 2080ti, but I'm not really going for a budget build. I'd like to keep a CPU/RAM/MB under 800, but if it goes over I don't care, I just want to future proof this thing for if I get a 2080ti in the future (or two, probably not two cause SLI isn't really supported for anything)
but also have seen posts online about:
I thought one of these made two SATA ports disable with m.2 but I can't find anything about it now so that might be a different one, if its one of these I probably dont want to do that, because of hard drive slots. Unless a sata controller thing works fine - I've had lots of problems with mine, any recommendations?
Also - How do motherboard standoffs work? Sorrryyy, its been a while lol.
Yes, google can help me, I know, but I also get such varied results its nice to be able to ask people here. irrc, you screw standoffs into the board, where the screws will utimately go. So standoffs, motherboard sits ontop, and then you basically screw the motherboard into the standoffs, right?
Do I need standoffs? Pretty sure my buddy didn't use standoffs and hes fine lol.
What is the point of a backplate? I remember installing one, no idea how but I'm sure the manual will tell me, what is the point of it though?
Also I was told I need a special percentage of rubbing alcohol to get thermal paste off my CPU otherwise it could ruin it?? Never heard that before, is that true, or does anything work? I was planning on using a microfiber cloth and like 70% or whatever is in my medicine cabinet to get it off. Just keeping the CPU/Mobo/RAM for now until I can actually diagnose what is wrong, because I dont wanna throw good parts out, I could use them for something else.
A GPU question - I was reading that apparently if I kept my i7-4790k and got like a RTX 2080ti that it wouldn't perform as well because my CPU would bottleneck it? Not so sure about that, but that's what I read. Is that true? If so, I am planning to get an RTX 2080ti in the future, maybe two of them (i'm crazy) will the i7-9700k be up to standards to perform alongside it, or do I need something else to get more performance? The 9700k should, it has like the highest single core clock speed other then the 9900k that I could find, and that is $150 more for very little difference, so I'm thinking the 9700k is more of the "worth it" choice, what do you think?
I think this is my last question, (I've written that 3 times and deleted it) - I was thinking of getting a new case. I currently have a Corsair 750D and its old and beat up. It's been through weekly travels from one state to another when my parents split and my dad moved away (I visited him on weekends) it's been moved close to 900 miles when I moved halfway across the country, and its probably been dropped once or twice. It also was neglected for probably the first three years before I cleaned it...and then the second three years as well. I just cleaned it again and the amount of dust..jesus.
All around great case, I loved it, but I'm ready to move on from it, and I've seen some cases like the Corsair Obsidian 500D that have opening doors that I am absolutely just in love with. Any recommendations? The 500D is an option but it doesn't really have enough hard drive bays for me..I have a bit of OCD, so I have hard drives for like specific things lol, so having lots of hard drives is nice for me. Speaking of, is there any side affect to having so many? Could it slow down my PC? Like would have 4 1TB drives be slower then 1 4TB drive? I'm pretty sure its actually faster, right? If they were all filled to the max, and I had to access pictures, it only has to find it through 1TB of data rather then all 4, right?
Keep in mind this will have to fit a full sized ATX MB, in the future it very well may have to fit a RTX 2080ti, and it needs to fit a h100i radiator. Corsiar websites says its a 240mm, so it has two 120mm fans I imagine. I'm probably going to use that on top as an exhaust - I know it might be better in front as an intake but I've just always had it up top and it worked fine. I can always change it if neccessary, but that is what the case will need to support - plus the more hard drive bays the better lol.
Sorry..this was a lot of questions, thank you very much to those taking the time to read this, and help me lol
Edit: Another thing. I think it was the first motherboard I linked, had like "steel" PCIE slots or something. Does that matter? I also read a while ago that there is like a 4x PCI-E slot or something? Apparnetly its faster? Are PCI-E Slots kinda like ram slots where a certain slot is faster? I assume the top slot is always fastest, or are they the same speeds?
Server build: NAS KILLER v 2.0 - THE TERMINATOR - dual socket, 18 DIMMS, integrated LSI SAS2, 8+ bays, and lots more - for $145
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Objective:Annihilate the $135 NAS Killer. There's a new king: the NAS Killer v2.0
- Highly upgradable, with a clear path for upgrades
- Bargain basement prices on all components
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- Support many different possible configurations, and use-cases
Gigabyte GA-7TESM Dual Xeon Socket LGA1366 Motherboard -
$45 (Seller relisted, now accepting $55 as a minimum offer)
If you buy the motherboard from this seller, tell them JDM_WAAAT sent you :) I don't get any kickback from the seller, but I'm doing my best to build relationships with some eBay sellers in order to get some better deals in the future.I thought the X8DT6 from the $375 unRAID build was a good deal. This motherboard is a better deal. The seller has it listed for $64.99, but they will accept $45 as a best offer. Similar to the X8DT6, this board has a built in SAS2 controller in the form of a LSI 2008. This allows us to save around $45 from an add-in card. The onboard LSI controller does need to be flashed, just like an external controller. I go over the process in my live-stream build video, but there are many articles online on how to complete the process.
The motherboard also has QUAD Gigabit NIC, and a dedicated NIC for IPMI.
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The lowest prices were determined by eBay searches, buy it now only, US only, and sorted by lowest price. Prices will vary, so use this chart as a reference only. Clicking on the processors in the chart will take you directly to a properly formatted eBay search.
If you want more information, check out my 1366 deep-dive for more comprehensive testing.
- [NAS] I'd pick the (single) E5620, as they are just about the best for the money. NAS' typically do not need a lot of processing power, so this would be more than plenty. It's really easy to add more performance by doubling up and adding another E5620.
- [Virtualization] I'd pick dual L5638, which are the cheapest 6 core / 12 thread processors on the chart. Keep in mind you'll need to get an EPS splitter for your PSU, and you might consider getting more RAM if you're going to be doing a lot of virtualization.
- [General Compute] I'd pick dual X5650 or dual X5667, they offer a good mix of performance and high core count. Realistically none of these options are likely to break the bank, but I think both of these are some of the more realistic options.
- [Gaming / Workstation] I'd go for dual X5667 or X5687 for pure clock speed. You'll see the most performance gains for gaming and workstation type applications with a clock speed boost. I did a little bit of gaming on a quad core 3.6 GHz X3470 (click for video link) and the results were surprising. Xeons aren't just for servers, they're really competent chips overall.
|Processor (eBay link)||Cores / Threads||Base Frequency||Turbo Frequency||Passmark (single)||Passmark (dual)||Notes||Price (single)||Price (dual)||Passmark/$ (single)||Passmark/$ (dual)|
|E5504||4C / 4T||2.0 GHz||--||2705||4892||--||$2.47||$4.95||1095.14||988.28|
|E5620||4C / 8T||2.4 GHz||2.6 GHz||4860||8104||--||$3.19||$6.38||1523.51||1270.22|
|L5630||4C / 8T||2.13 GHz||2.4 GHz||4369||7006||low power||$4.49||$7.99||973.05||876.85|
|E5640||4C / 8T||2.66 GHz||2.93 GHz||5263||8790||--||$4.99||$9.98||1054.71||880.76|
|L5638||6C / 12T||2.0 GHz||2.4 GHz||5556||8952||low power||$10.95||$21.90||507.40||408.77|
|E5645||6C / 12T||2.4 GHz||2.8 GHz||6509||10413||--||$12.00||$23.00||542.42||452.74|
|L5640||6C / 12T||2.26 GHz||2.8 GHz||6442||9737||low power||$18.00||$36.00||357.89||270.52|
|E5649||6C / 12T||2.53 GHz||2.93 GHz||6936||10348||--||$19.00||$38.00||365.05||272.31|
|X5667||4C / 8T||3.06 GHz||3.46 GHz||6026||10420||--||$20.00||$40.00||301.30||260.5|
|X5650||6C / 12T||2.66 GHz||3.06 GHz||7431||11382||--||$20.50||$39.95||362.48||284.90|
|X5670||6C / 12T||2.93 GHz||3.33 GHz||7946||12357||--||$31.50||$63.00||252.25||196.14|
|X5687||4C / 8T||3.6 GHz||3.86 GHz||7094||12010||--||$41.41||$82.82||171.31||145.01|
RAM upgrades in the future
- If you have dual CPU, make sure that you mirror the memory configuration across processors
- If purchasing additional memory, matching speed is not important. However, make sure that you purchase DDR3 ECC Registered.
- Search for the amount you want in eBay like this "4x8gb ddr3 ecc reg" or "6x4GB ddr3 ecc reg" and sort by lowest price, buy it now, and US only.
Chassis / Cases:
Rails are extra, and are not included with the chassis.
Rosewill 15 Bay Server Chassis is around $100, at times down to $80 when on sale.
Other necessary components:
Parts, & accessories:
Assuming you're going for the NAS KILLER V 2.0 build:
- Single Xeon E5620, with 4 cores / 8 threads at up to 2.6 GHz
- Quad Gigabit NIC
- IPMI for remote server management, with dedicated IPMI NIC
- 8GB DDR3 ECC RAM (with a ton of expansion)
- 3 PCI-E expansion, 1 PCI expansion
- Built in LSI 2008 SAS w/ IT mode
- 14 SATA (6 onboard, 8 from SAS)
- 7 Native 3.5" drive bays
Possible builds / price totals:
|Core Components - NAS Killer v2.0 (click for link)||Price|
|AZZA CSAZ-GT Full Tower||$59.39|
|1 x Intel Xeon E5620||$3.19|
|4GB DDR3 ECC REG 1333 (2x)||$8.99 x 2 = $17.98|
|Arctic Freezer 12 CPU Cooler||$19.48|
|EVGA 450W PSU||$19.99|
|Rackmount NAS - unRAID build v2.0 (click for link)||Price|
|Rosewill 4U Chassis||$105.00|
|2 x Passive Heatsinks||Included*|
|2 x Intel Xeon L5640||$36.00|
|4GB DDR3 ECC REG 1333 (x6)||$8.99 x 6 = $53.94|
|EVGA 450W PSU||$19.99|
|5 x Arctic 120mm PWM fans||$25.00|
|5 x Arctic 80mm PWM fans||$20.00|
|2 x 8087 SAS cable||$12.89|
|Add-Ons & Extras for the Core Build (click for link)||Price|
|5 x Arctic 120mm PWM fans||$25.00|
|2 x 8087 SAS cable||$12.89|
|SATA power splitter||$5.49|
|Gelid Solutions GC-Extreme Thermal Paste||$12.73|