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Muskogee chat transcript
Didn't get their names so I'll just call them Muskogee for simplicity's sake.
Muskogee: You're always telling us stories but we don't know about your story. Could you tell us your story?
Jim: gets muted
several minutes of audio problems ensue before the story begins
Jim: Oh um, not much to it. Boring, grew up, went to school and the university of Oklahoma, learned about writing there, went to their graduate program of professional writing, got kicked out, sold my first book and after that just kind of selling more of them and it worked out.
Muskogee: One of the things I've read about you, and I'm curious as to if this is true, is that the Codex Alera series came about because you were given a challenge to write a good story about a couple of lame topics. Is that true?
Jim: Sort of. Originally the challenge was for me to use one bad idea but I thought that wasn't sufficient so I told him to pick two. Originally back in the day it was the Del Rey online writers workshop, it was like the first big online writing forum where you could show up and talk to a broad range of people about writing. Mostly it was a bunch of wannabe writers like me at the time and we would just be on there arguing about writing, sharing our stuff and critiquing one another's stuff and talking about the industry and stuff like that. There was a big discussion one day and the discussion was concerning the nature of writing and writing specifically. The question was "what is more important, to write with a good idea or to write with good presentation?" and that was the argument that was going on. And one side of the argument took up the holy idea that if you had a good enough idea that it doesn't matter how awful your writing is and used Jurassic Park as their example. And then for me I was on the side that was saying "it doesn't really matter what your idea is, if you're a creative enough writer the way you spin and present it can give you a really good story that people are gonna like reliably over and over again, how many versions of Romeo and Juliet have we seen?" And so that argument went back and forth for a while and was one of those discussions where you just hit reply, capslock and then you start talking. I was the loudmouth leading one side and there was another loudmouth leading the other side and I forget who it was but finally he says "Okay let's see you put your money where your mouth is. How about I give you a terrible idea and see you write it into a book that sells" and I said "No! Why don't you give me two terrible ideas and I'll use them both and that was how Codex Alera got started. Because his first terrible idea was "lost Roman legions, I'm so sick of lost Roman legions. All the Roman legions should have been found by now!" and I'm like "okay and what's your second terrible idea?" and he says Pokemon. And so I took those two things and I shook 'em up in a bag for a while and eventually made Codex Alera.
Muskogee: Yeah when I read that I was like "you know that makes sense" because it's very much Roman legion and Pokemon.
Jim: Yup, lost Roman legion meets Pokemon.
Muskogee: Because my son is a Pokemon fan, when you created your elementals did you have any certain Pokemon in mind when you created the different ones?
Jim: No particular ones in mind but I did take the name of the mountain Garados just straight off of Gyrados, just switched a letter out and that was all I needed to do. Just because that was the most impressive Pokemon I saw the first time when I watched Pokemon. Cuz my kid used to watch Pokemon every morning and I would have to sit with him and eat breakfast and watch Pokemon because as a parent that's what happens to you. So I was in a pretty good position to write a Pokemon based epic fantasy.
Muskogee: Yeah I think we could do, my son sits down and reads the Pokemon encyclopedia all the time. He knows everything about all the characters.
Jim: Yeah eventually there's going to be so many Pokemon the kids are going to have to have a doctorate to be able to play the game.
Muskogee: Yeah they will, there are ten of them. So I have some questions from our chat so I'm going to read these. So... where is Lucifer in all this? I am remembering he made a play in Small Favour with helping Nick power up the trap for Ivy.
Jim: He runs a pretty big corporation, it was probably a subsidiary.
Muskogee: If Harry used the Darkhallow at the Changes crossroad who would his frenemies have been like how Mab and the Winter court is now and presumably Nicodemus and the Denarians would be if he took up Lasciel's coin?
Jim: laughs and shakes his head He wouldn't be friends with Nicodemus it wouldn't matter if he had a coin or not. That's not gonna happen. But if he'd taken- I mean the whole thing about being a necromancer, if you go take up the path of the necromancer you don't need friends you can make your own. All you need is the spare parts and you're good to go. But it would have been a much different series and there would have been a lot more conflict with like, Odin, that would have been a big deal with him. Let me think what else, umm, Molly would have gotten a lot gothier, that would have happened.
Muskogee: And the next one is "as of Battle Ground where is Bonea? Was she purposely left out of even Dresden's thoughts?"
Jim: Yeah, there were buildings being destroyed and people being slaughtered by the tens of thousands there was a lot to think about that didn't involve somebody who was in a box at Michael's house.
Muskogee: So Peace Talks came out in July and Battle Ground now, did you originally plan for it to be two parts because it's almost like one book but there's so much that you had to split it into two?
Jim: It was one book and it was too big they were going to have to charge like fifty bucks for it or something like that and I'm not going to be the first author to go over that line, somebody else can do that that's braver than me. But yeah they came out and said "it's been so far outside the window it's gonna be really hard to publish, it's gonna be expensive" and so on. "Have you ever thought about splitting this up into a couple of books" and originally the idea was to write the book that kind of started off being a political heist book but then turned into a war movie in the middle when you weren't looking for it, kind of like From Dusk Till Dawn where it turned from a psycho killer movie into a vampire movie. So that was what I was trying to do, trying to build a better mouse trap but it didn't work out nearly as well as I wanted it to unfortunately because I really wasn't pleased with it even when it was done, it was kind of a lumpy Frankenstein of a book and when they said "hey maybe we can divide it into two books" I kind of stopped and looked at it and said "well it really is, it's about two thirds of one book and about two thirds of another book so if we split it into two books we'll have two books that are two thirds of a book" so it's like I've got to go back in and retool a little bit what this first story is about. The story of going out to save Thomas and only sort of doing it kind of is what Peace Talks wound up being all about and drawing out that conflict with Harry's grandfather. And then we were just getting out all the action figures and smashing them together for Battle Ground. That's kind of what it is and if that's not your kind of book that's cool I don't mind at all but for me it was fun since I got to smash action figures together.
Muskogee: I loved Battle Ground. From the first sentence it's like you hit the ground running pretty much. Battle Ground has been great. Just finished it this afternoon at about 3:30. So between work and kids I've just been listening because I didn't want to stop listening, it's really good.
Jim: Well that's all about James.
Muskogee: One of my questions and you sort of touched on it here with having to split the books. Has there been things in books you wish you had put in or things you wish you had left out or just things you wish you had elaborated a little bit more on?
Jim: That sounds like so much work, just wishing about things that are done. Once that book is done it's done it goes out there and there's tens or hundreds of thousands of copies running around and you've said what you had to say whether you like it or not. So I try not to waste too much time regretting it once it's out there. And it really seems... considering how well the books have done and how well my career has gone it seems a little bit churlish to say "oh I wish how it had been different" oh I know how /that/ wish is gonna go.
Muskogee: It worked out pretty well huh?
Jim: Yeah I'm not gonna complain about any of it. I'm very happy with it.
Muskogee: Is Harry getting a round table for the castle?
Jim: Oh I don't know. He probably should. laughs a little Golly that would really mess with the Merlin if he did. I have to think about that now.
Muskogee: It's an idea. What do you do when you're trying to brainstorm for whichever direction the story is going to be going?
Jim: Well I haven't done that since 1996 or something like that. When I'm doing it for a new story what I like to do is run a campaign in my story world, then I'll try to run the campaign that is in the story, I kind of know what I want the story to be more or less so I'll run the campaign there and players being players they won't play there. They'll go anywhere but where I want them to go, and that means they generally just go off in a random direction and I have to frantically build this world six inches in front of their toes as they frantically charge along. Anyway... that has been the most useful creative exercise that I've been able to do to make things cooler.
Muskogee: As a D&D player I can relate. I'm one of those players that tortures the GM.
Jim: Yeah, yeah.
Muskogee 2: My DM calls me "the hammer" because I hammer his game every chance I get.
Muskogee: I had wondered if you had played D&D before. Because some of the things, especially in your last couple of books... you talked about "oh he failed on his initiative".
Jim: Of course. At some point I realised I had allowed my son to become 21 years of age without actually having played Dungeons and Dragons. Every other game under the sun but not D&D because it was 4th edition and I didn't have the energy for it. So I wound up running him, we wound up playing Pathfinder and playing Keep on the Borderlands/Caves of Chaos as our first game because because darn it when you play Dungeons and Dragons that is your first dungeon, that's the way it works. You go play the Caves of Chaos. But I set it during a fantasy zombie apocalypse so there's a zombie apocalypse going on and the only way to survive, the last human holdout, is the keep on the borderlands but in order to be let in they had to promise that they would serve on the expeditionary force because there wasn't enough room for useless people, you could only be there if you could do something useful so. The expeditionary force got sent to the Caves of Chaos to talk to the greenskins so I was running the Caves of Chaos as a diplomatic mission and it is the most amazing diplomatic mission you've ever seen. D&D players, if you want to have some fun, go run Caves of Chaos as a diplomatic mission, it's awesome.
Muskogee: For the adversary, is there a difference between the infection versus the possession and if so is there a limit to the number it can possess at any one time?
Jim: Gosh it would be really handy if Harry knew that.
Muskogee: It would help him a lot.
Jim: It would be super useful if he knew things like that.
Muskogee 2: That almost sounds like on the level of the balefire question to Robert Jordan.
Muskogee: At some point will we be able to see Ferrovax in his natural form?
Jim: Yes, yeah yeah yeah. I'm not gonna put that gun on the wall and not pull it off. That's gonna happen.
Muskogee: That would be amazing. Where is Mister as of Battle Ground?
Jim: As of Battle Ground Mister was in his crate at the Carpenters.
Muskogee: I'm glad somebody asked that question because I was wondering about that too before I read.
Jim: When Harry took Maggie over Mister and Bonea went with them.
Muskogee: Would you consider a Codex Alera short story collection of the older characters' backstories? Like Septimus and his friend, Sextus as a young punk, the Valerian brothers etc
Jim: No I would probably leave that backstory as backstory. I mean, part of what makes it good is that you don't know much very much about it so if I go back and start writing it I'm inevitably going to disappoint people because you don't know what's in the backstory so you've been making up cool things yourselves and there's like a million of you guys and you're smarter than me all together like that so you're inevitably going to think of cooler stuff than I would come up with if I tried to write a backstory for it at this point. What I would do is write more stories going along with the next generation of young people looking back at the older people that we got to see falling through life and goofing everything up and trying to get things right. You know because when they look back at them they don't see those people that we know they see these icons and these incredible heroes of the land, they don't know that the first lord just upchucks all over himself the entire time he's on a boat, that's not something that would enter into their mind.
Muskogee: It'd be like going back in time with George Washington and-
Jim: And finding out he was actually kind of an arrogant doofus in a lot of ways. He certainly should have listened to his noncoms that's for sure.
Muskogee: You stated 20ish case books with a big apocalyptic trilogy at the end. Is it now safe to presume 22 case books given Peace Talks was split and prior comments about how romance might have slowed the overall pacing by a book?
Jim: I don't know if I would say it's safe to assume cuz I've never written a series this long before, I don't know what I'm doing. But yeah I just figured out today that I think I'm going to have to put another book into the series just to get everything done and it was annoying but also exciting because now I get another book to write so.
Muskogee: We're all terribly disappointed that there will be another one.
Jim: Well if I do 22 and then a 3 book trilogy at the end and that's like a 5 x 5 series that's super powerful. If you want to get into numerology that's very solid, 25 is excellent so.
Muskogee: What are the chances of any new unknown to us book titles?
Jim: Yeah I've got several in mind that I haven't used yet but I haven't told them to you for the past 20 years and I don't see why I will now so...
Muskogee: It's not a surprise if we know about it right now. I have really enjoyed the Dresden series and the way the characters have developed. When they first started out they weren't real in-depth, Good was good and bad was bad there didn't seem to be any in-between but as the series has progressed it seems like there's not as much clearcut good and evil now, there's a little bit of grey in everything and people's motivations... they might be a good person but the motivation might not be so good or they might be evil but with a good motivation. So what is your process on developing the characters? Have you had characters that have started out on what we would traditionally think of as the side of good and you've been writing them you've found yourself think "no they need to go a little more evil"
Jim: It's not that simple there are no characters that are just on the side of good except for maybe Michael and possibly Father Forthill. They're the ones who might be on the side of Good with a capital G, most people are doing pretty good if they're just not awful. That's sort of my metric "have you murdered anybody lately? No? Have you stolen from somebody and left them in poverty or a horrible mess? No? All right. You're not beating on your children? and so on, okay, I'm not going to complain too hard about you because I really don't know what your life is like and you seem to have the minimum requirements met and I'll be over here if you need anything". And so for people in the Dresden Files world, so many of them are decent people, like Murphy, Murphy's a decent human being but not really necessarily labouring on the side of Good, maybe on the side of Law just for the fact that she does it 40 hours a week or at least she did for the longest time. Yeah I don't see people like that, people in general tend to labour towards the things that they're interested in.
Muskogee: Everybody's doing the best they can with what they have.
Jim: Yeah more or less. The whole point of the Dresden Files in many ways is an examination of choices, what do you do with the free will you have? How do you choose to do the things you're doing? Because that means a lot for Harry. If you're on the side of Good or you're on the side of Evil you don't really have the free will as much- well you do but you've pretty much already chosen. You've already made that call. Just writing about the characters that are stable and stick to what they do and what they have always done, those are great characters to have. Characters like Michael are wonderful but if you made everybody like that it wouldn't work out so well because if everybody's the paladin there's no contrast for the paladin to actually look cool and neat. And besides in the real world there's not a lot of paladins.
Muskogee: No there's not. That's one of the things I like about your characters that you see them struggling even if they're generally a good person, you see them struggle with the dark side of themselves they have because everybody has that.
Jim: Yeah people are strange creatures we are very strange we aren't very good at this whole peaceful civilisation thing, we haven't been doing it very long.
Muskogee: Will we see any more Greek gods or others such as Egyptian or something in later books?
Jim: We will definitely see more in later books, that's when we get to the professional wrestling book there's going to be a lot of gods running around so...
Muskogee: Do you remember what the colors and sigils of Forcia Attica and Parcia were? They were the only ones not revealed in the series?
Jim: They're written down somewhere, I've got a file somewhere that has-where I wrote up briefs on all the major cities and all their major exports and what their economy was based on and all these things that absolutely never came into the books, ever, but then I kind of had to know myself before I could do it. So they will be in my notes somewhere but those are in storage in KC, I'm not exactly sure where they are. I'll see if I can dig them up and look.
Muskogee: Did Donald Morgan train with the brute squad at Archangel and who was the person he cared for there?
Jim: I'm not gonna talk about that right now because I might do a little more Morgan story later because he's just an interesting guy and Dresden's pov was not shall we say a very objective or generous one and as a result Morgan is a very different guy from the one he's been presented as in the books and you see that in bits and pieces when Harry looks at him and goes "huh, maybe he wasn't so bad" but he's not quite self aware enough to go "maybe it was me" which is one of those things humans wind up having to do a lot as you kind of study yourself in life. "Oh maybe I'm bringing a lot of stuff to this that I didn't realise I was bringing" you know.
Muskogee: That is very true, we don't often think about how we don't see things the way everybody else sees it and yeah
Jim: But Morgan was definitely in with the Archangel crowd. They're the kind of guys who spar at full speed, those kind of folks.
Muskogee: Was the White Council given the Blackstaff or did he take it?
Jim: Oh as far as the history of where he got it I'm not gonna talk about that yet because we'll still have to talk about that later. I can't give answers to questions where it's gonna ruin the fun, I won't do that, I'll give you all the answers I can but I won't ruin the story for later on.
Muskogee 2: I have a question. My personal headcanon is that all the people of the forest dress in Victorian clothing, please tell me this is true.
Jim: Oh my gosh, probably. They're kind of orderly within and among themselves so they so they would have kind of got- the forest people are sort of the ultimate introvert culture so they would have gotten together and been like "okay we have to figure this human thing out, somebody's gonna have to make contact, who?" "not it!", you know, like that. And it would have just gone around the circle until River Shoulders was the last one at the meeting and they made him do it. And then they would have relied on his research and then said "okay that's the human research we have the human research established" you know because that's the sort of folks that they are, they like things to be the same. They're very close to nature and nature's pretty much unchanging or it changes so slowly we can't really see it. So yeah they would have found out about the humans and been like "okay now we know enough".
Muskogee: Do you prefer writing in an urban fantasy world or in a high fantasy world, a swords and horses world?
Jim: There's different advantages to each. When I am writing in a completely alien world I can make it in any way I want and that's pretty cool, on the other hand, because I can make it any way I want it means I have to do absolutely all the work, I have to describe everything. I can't just say "they were in a restaurant" because what does a restaurant look like in a fantasy world where there's dragons and elves? You have to actually do all the work and be describing that whereas in the Dresden Files I can say "they were eating in the cafe of a Walmart" and everybody goes "I know that one, yeah I ate in that one once and I regretted it" you know, like that, where everybody knows it.
Muskogee: Are there any plans to put together a compilation of the graphic novels in much the same was as Side Jobs/Brief Cases?
Jim: I mean there are several graphic novel compilations already where they group the graphic novels into several. I know they did that for Storm Front and Fool Moon. And then when they were doing the original ones though- the originals are separate stories I don't think they've done big compilations of those yet. Oh they have? I'm told they have.
Priscellie: Yes Dynamite has two omnibus collections.
Jim: Oh okay Dynamite has two omnibus collections of the original Dresden Files stuff so you should be able to look those up. I didn't realise that, cool.
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Jim: Go to the official jimbutcher.com store, if you go to my site and go to the store you'll be able to find links to them there.
Muskogee: Followup to Harry the necromancer path. Why would he be fighting with Odin? Wouldn't he be fighting the White Council? How strong would he be if he performed the Darkhallow when it was not on Halloween?
Jim: Well for one he'd be fighting with Odin because Harry would be wanting /useful/ dead minions and useful dead minions, bringing folks back from the dead, that kind of starts walking towards Odin's territory. He would be a little concerned about that. And of course he'd be fighting the White Council /all the time/.
Muskogee: In Codex Alera how did you come up with the various cultures and races?
Jim: I was at work and it was boring. I was working 10PM to 6AM at a local internet provider at Norman Oklahoma in the mid 90s. After 1 in the morning you don't get so many calls there and you've got 5 hours to kill and you can only play so much Everquest.
Muskogee: Is there a reason Dresden stopped making potions as much?
Jim: Yeah because I was doing other stuff and I had done the potion thing over and over so I only do it occasionally now. I mean it was an entire dedicated chapter of just making potions and after a while I was like "I'm tired of the potion chapter, can't we just say he went to the lab and we'll have a 5 minutes later and he's done bit" because yeah I had been writing that scene over and over I got tired of it.
Muskogee: What happened to the rest of the dragons excluding the one Michael killed?
Jim: Various stuff happened to all the dragons over time. They just sort of got whittled down slowly over the years. By and large they were killed by mortals.
Muskogee: I think I read on Reddit you are planning on having a dragon book, is that correct?
Jim: Yeah, I don't have the teleport yet though I'm still working on it.
Muskogee: I can't wait it'll be great when that comes out. What's the most dangerous thing in Demonreach?
Jim: It's sort of hard to say because some of the stuff that doesn't seem as bad kind of has the horrible long term consequences whereas compared to the overt "this is the thing that will eat you and then divide into two parts and eat two more people and divide into four parts and eat more" like that. That's sort of a world killer thing right there whereas opposed to the thing that just makes everybody so sad that they eventually stop eating. That's not quite as bad but it'll also do the same thing, it'll get you there. So really it's not a question of what is the most dangerous thing it's just what flavour of awful do you want? It's there.
Muskogee: Do you think you'll ever expound anymore on what all is in Demonreach?
Jim: smirks Oh why would I do that?
Muskogee: Because inquiring minds want to know.
Jim: Oh yeah yeah that might be fun, we'll have to see.
Muskogee: I think it would be really interesting because we know there's all these big baddies out there but sometimes stuff we can make up in our own imagination is worse than what is actually there so... Do you have any recommendations on programs or resources for organising your thoughts and stories?
Jim: For organising thoughts and stories? I know there's a lot of writing programs, Scrivener is the one I hear most often that people use. I tend to organise my books in the same way I organise my campaigns. I'll put a notebook together for them, put all my files in one place... Anything that you already do to organise thoughts and ideas, just port it over and apply it. If it's something you're already familiar with that's a good tool just go ahead and use that. For me I started organising my stories in the same way I organise my campaigns and it worked out well for me. Right down to doing character sheets for the characters.
Muskogee: That's actually a really good way to do that.
Jim: If it ain't broke don't fix it.
Muskogee: Was one of the big D Dragons named Hydrovax or Aquavax?
Jim: laughs No. All the water dragons- they tend to- they wound up over in Asia for the most part.
Muskogee: So in 2007 there was the Dresden Files TV series which is actually how I discovered the Dresden Files books.
Jim: Tons of people did, tons of people did.
Muskogee: Yeah flipping through the channels one day saw this show and was like "this is awesome and oh there's books". I understand it has been picked up again by Fox Studios, is that true?
Jim: That is true. It's in development. Development is a funny place.
Muskogee: Means they're working on it, might not happen but hopefully it does, I would love to see another TV series. I was sad it only lasted one season.
Jim: I'm not sure I'd say it was sad it only lasted one season. I kind of wish there had been more but at the same time it did kind of end before it blew up anything completely that I would have to deal with in the books later on. I like to think positive.
Muskogee: Are there still plans for a series about Maggie at her school?
Jim: I'm thinking about it, that's what plans mean to a writer, we're thinking about it. Until there's a contract and a cheque I don't know if I would give much more credit to plans than that.
Muskogee: Can we get a microfiction of Kincaid going hunting post-Battle Ground?
Jim: Huh. No I don't think so but we'll probably see more Kincaid before very long.
Muskogee: Will a certain Black Court leader that was shown in Battle Ground return before the BAT?
Jim: Before then? Maybe, maybe not, we'll see. Oh wait yeah absolutely will before then because there's some vengeance that needs meeting so.
Muskogee: Are we going to see any from the Jade Court before the end of the series?
Jim: I am iffy on that. I don't know if it'll happen in Dresden at all. They get by by staying home. That's what they do.
Muskogee: Do einherjar have to make a choice to be recruited?
Jim: No not really. They can get roped into it. I mean if they've already got a claim somewhere else that's different. In which case Odin has to make a deal of some kind, it's like "I know you had plans for this guy and all Anubis but I really need him for the rest of the mortals" and that's the kind of thing that can happen. Very confused people occasionally wake up in Valhalla.
Muskogee: What caused you to change styles or worlds? You had written urban fantasy, you had written swords and horses fantasy and then Cinder Spires is more of a steampunk so is there something that inspired you to go that direction instead of your usual?
Jim: It was just a matter of- I had done several projects at that point and I showed each of them to my beta readers and sort of got their reactions to them and by far the Cinder Spires got the strongest reactions so I decided to go with that. I'm pretty happy with the choice but I see it less as a steampunk series and more of a space opera but that's just me. At one point I called it a steam-opera and my editor was like "you're not allowed to make up new genres" so I'm like "darn it!".
Muskogee: You're not that powerful yet.
Jim: Apparently not.
Muskogee: Okay one more question. You've mentioned one of your influences is Roger Zelazny. My dad really wants to know who is your favourite character in the Amberverse.
Jim: I think Merlin is the most interesting because he has the most options, if I was writing I would want to be writing Merlin. But my favourite character is still Benedict. I mean to the point where I named a guy after him in the Cinder Spires so.
Muskogee: Oh there you go. I admit I have not read Cinder Spires so that went under my radar and somebody mentioned and I was like "how did I miss this?"
Jim: Yeah there's like talking cats and everything.
Muskogee: If it's got talking cats in it I have to check this out.
Jim: How can you not? It's a surefire winner, how could I not use talking cats?
Muskogee: Exactly you can't go wrong with that. How do you feel about the fact that some of your works are being used in college lit classes?
Jim: Really? laughs I feel that it was appropriate that I got kicked out of college, for crying out loud. Oh my gosh, using my stuff for lit.
Muskogee: Your professors would not believe it, would they?
Jim: Well my professors thought I wrote fine. My issue wasn't with them it was more with administration but that's a different story.
Muskogee: Alright we're at our time limit so I'm gonna let you go but I really appreciate you rescheduling and coming back to do this and sorry for all the technical issues we've had but you've got to admit that with Harry Dresden that's kind of ironic.
Evidence for Ritual Abuse
Ritual AbuseList of Ritual Abuse references
Proof That Ritual Abuse Exists
Ritual abuse exists all over the world. There have been reports, journal articles, web pages and criminal convictions of these horrific crimes against children and adults.
(This page also has day care and other child abuse cases at the bottom.)
What is Ritual Abuse?Web pages proving the existence of ritual abuse:
“…is methodical abuse, often using indoctrination, aimed at breaking the will of another human being. In a 1989 report, the Ritual Abuse Task Force of the L.A. County Commission for Women defined ritual abuse as: “Ritual Abuse usually involves repeated abuse over an extended period of time. The physical abuse is severe, sometimes including torture and killing. The sexual abuse is usually painful,humiliating, intended as a means of gaining dominance over the victim.The psychological abuse is devastating and involves the use of ritual indoctrination. It includes mind control techniques which convey to the victim a profound terror of the cult members …most victims are in a state of terror, mind control and dissociation” (Pg. 35-36) “Safe Passage to Healing”, by Chrystine Oksana, 1994, HarperCollins, which is an excellent source for survivor and co-survivors on the topic, though there is a newer edition out by iuniverse.com (2001)
List of legal cases:
Believe the children (1997). “Conviction List: Ritual Child Abuse”. http://ra-info.org/faqs/ra-convictions/
Noblitt, PhD, J. R. – An Empirical Look at the Ritual Abuse Controversy (2007) http://ritualabuse.us/ritualabuse/articles/an-empirical-look-at-the-ritual-abuse-controversy-randy-noblitt-phd/
Ritual Abuse Bibliography http://ra-info.org/for-researchers/bibliographies/ritual-abuse-primary-and-secondary-source-books/
Ritual Abuse Statistics & Research http://web.archive.org/web/20071210161357/http://home.mchsi.com/~ftio/ra-stats.htm
Searchable releases on satanic ritual abuse http://groups.yahoo.com/group/psnews/
Frequently Asked Questions about Ritual Abuse and Mind Control https://survivorship.org/frequently-ask-questions/
Satanic Ritual Abuse: The Evidence Surfaces By Daniel Ryder, CCDC, LSW http://web.archive.org/web/20080125051057/http://home.mchsi.com/~ftio/ra-evidence-surfaces.htm
2008 Publications on Ritual Abuse and Mind Control http://endritualabuse.org/publications-on-ritual-abuse-and-mind-control-in-2008/ Lacter, E (2008-02-11). “Brief Synopsis of the Literature on the Existence of Ritualistic Abuse”. http://endritualabuse.org/brief-synopsis-of-the-literature-on-the-existence-of-ritualistic-abuse/
Information on Ellen Lacter and Her Research https://ritualabuse.us/smart/ellen-lacte
Information on Valerie Sinason and Her Research https://ritualabuse.us/smart/valerie-sinason/
Information on Randy Noblitt and His Research https://ritualabuse.us/smart/randy-noblitt/
Ritual abuse diagnosis research – excerpt from a chapter in: Lacter, E. & Lehman, K. (2008).Guidelines to Differential Diagnosis between Schizophrenia and Ritual Abuse/Mind Control Traumatic Stress. In J.R. Noblitt & P. Perskin(Eds.), Ritual Abuse in the Twenty-first Century: Psychological, Forensic, Social and Political Considerations, pp. 85-154. Bandon, Oregon: Robert D. Reed Publishers. quotes: A second study revealed that these results were unrelated to patients’ degree of media and hospital milieu exposure to the subject of Satanic ritual abuse. “In fact, less media exposure was associated with production of more Satanic content in patients reporting ritual abuse, evidence that reports of ritual abuse are not primarily the product of exposure contagion.” Responses are consistent with the devastating and pervasive abuse these victims have experienced, so often including immediate family members. http://ritualabuse.us/ritualabuse/studies/ritual-abuse-diagnosis-research-2/
Bottoms, Shaver and Goodman in their 1993 study to evaluate ritual abuse claims found that in 2,292 alleged ritual abuse cases, 15% of the perpetrators in adult cases and 30% of the perpetrators in child cases confessed to the abuse. Data from Brown, Scheflin and Hammond (1998).”Memory, Trauma Treatment, And the Law” (W. W. Norton) ISBN 0-393-70254-5 (p.62) Bottoms, B. Shaver, P. & Goodman, G. (1993) Profile of ritual abuse and religion related abuse allegations in the United States. Updated findings provided via personal communication from B. Bottoms. Cited in K.C. Faller (1994), Ritual Abuse; A Review of the research. The American Professional Society on the Abuse of Children Advisor , 7, 1, 19-27
On Page 170 (first edition), of Cult and Ritual Abuse – Noblitt and Perskin (Praeger, 1995) states “One of the best sources of evaluative research on ritual abuse is the article “Ritual Abuse: A Review of Research” by Kathleen Coulborn Faller (1994)….in a survey of 2,709 members of the American Psychological Association, it was found that 30 percent of these professionals had seen cases of ritual or religion-related abuse (Bottoms, Shaver & Goodman, 1991). Of those psychologists who have seen cases of ritual abuse, 93 percent believed that the reported harm took place and 93 percent believed that the alleged ritualism occurred. This is a remarkable finding. Mental health professionals are known to be divergent in their thinking and frequently do not agree with one another regarding questions of the diagnosis and etiology of psychiatric problems…this level of concurrence in a large national sample of psychologists…would be impressive….the similar research of Nancy Perry (1992) which further supports (the previous findings)…Perry also conducted a national survey of therapists who work with clients with dissociative disorders and she found that 88 percent of the 1,185 respondents indicated”belief in ritual abuse, involving mind control and programming” (p.3).”
Journal of Psychology and Theology – Satanic Ritual Abuse: The Current State of Knowledge
Satanic Ritual Abuse: A Question of Memory http://journals.biola.edu/jpt/volumes/22/issues/3/articles/167 …Leading memory researchers such as Dr. Bessel van der Kolk of Harvard Medical School maintain that traumatic memories, which typically are engraved in the sensorimotor processes, are not subject to the same kinds of contamination that can affect normal memory. Traumatic amnesia, described in the dsm-iii-r as psychogenic amnesia, is a phenomenon which has been known to mental health professionals for more than 100 years. The clinically observed characteristics of traumatic memory formation and retrieval match precisely the patterns of memory recovery exhibited by sra survivors, and strongly confirm the reality of their cult abuse. Author D. McCulley Pages 167 – 172
Adults who report childhood ritualistic abuse. By: Cozolino, L.J.; Shaffer, R.E. Volume 20, Issue 3 Fall 1992 Therapists are finding an increasing number of patients uncovering memories of ritualistic forms of abuse from childhood. To gain a fuller understanding of this phenomenon, twenty outpatients reporting memories of ritualistic abuse were interviewed. Questions focused on the nature of the abuse and its perceived impact on interpersonal, occupational, and spiritual development. Reasons for entering psychotherapy as well as the nature and course of treatment were also discussed. Subjects entered therapy with similar psychological complaints. Reported psychiatric sequelae included dissociative, affective, somatization, and eating disorders. Abuse experiences were reported to have affected every aspect of their adult functioning. Subjects began therapy with little or no knowledge of the phenomenon of ritualistic abuse, and only one patient reported vague memories of ritualistic abuse before entering therapy. Reports from this sample reflect striking convergence among subjects and with data from previous research and clinical reports. A composite clinical case study is presented based on these data. excerpts from the article:
“Skeptics question the legitimacy of these reports,but many factors point to the reality of the phenomenon of ritualistic abuse. First of all, the degree of consistency between reports of individuals from different parts of the country is very high. The fact that children as young as 2 and 3 report ritualistic abuse experiences that mirror those reported by adult victims is especially striking in light of the fact that young children do not have access to the kind of printed information that might conceivably allow an older person to fabricate such experiences (Gould, 1987). Second, experiences of ritualistic abuse reported by victims of all ages are virtually identical to written historical accounts of Satan worship and the like (Hill & Goodwin, 1989; Russell, 1972), findings that substantiate our present-day understanding of Satanism and ritualistic abuse as intragenerational phenomenon. Third, the symptoms from which individuals reporting histories of ritualistic abuse tend to suffer are consistent with our current understanding of post-traumatic stress disorder and the dissociative disorders. The progression in which ritualistic abuse survivors respond to psychotherapy places these victims squarely within the category of individual who have suffered real-not imagined-trauma. That is, when memories of the dissociated traumatic event have been fully surfaced into conscious awareness and re-associated in all their aspects, the often extremely debilitating symptoms from which the individual has suffered abate dramatically and over the course of treatment frequently disappear altogether (Ray & Reagor, 1991). Comments on study: Shaffer and Cozolino (1992) interviewed 19 women and one man who reported types and aftereffects of ritualistic abuse consistent with those reported by Young et al. All subjects reported witnessing the murder of animals, infants, children and/or adults. All reported suicidal ideation and half reported suicide attempts. The majority reported severe and sadistic forms of abuse by multiple perpetrators. Some reported continued recontact/revictimization into their adult years.
describes crimes Journal of Psychology and Theology – Satanic Ritual Abuse: The Current State of Knowledge Gould, C., & Cozolino, L. (1992). Ritual abuse, multiplicity, and mind control. Journal of Psychology and Theology, 20, 194-196. As a result of the psychologically intolerable nature of their early childhood experiences, victims of ritual abuse frequently develop multiple personality disorder (MPD). Therapists who treat these victims often assume that all MPD stems from a system of spontaneously created defenses against overwhelming trauma. As a result, these therapists tend to focus on treating the post-traumatic stress elements of the disorder and on integrating alter personalities. Recent experience with victims of ritual abuse suggests the presence of “cult-created” multiplicity, in which the cult deliberately creates alter personalities to serve its purposes, often outside of the awareness of the victim’s host personality. Each cult-created alter is programmed to serve a particular cult function such as maintaining contact with the cult, reporting information to the cult, self-injuring if cult injunctions are broken, and disrupting the therapeutic process that could lead to the individual breaking free of the cult. A majority of ritual abuse victims in psychotherapy may maintain cult contact unbeknownst to either the host personality or the treating therapist.
Selected quotes: “Ritual abuse is conducted on behalf of a cult whose purpose is to establish mind control over the victims. Thus, these perpetrators have a conscious motive for the abuse beyond compulsively repeating their own childhood abuse in an effort to gain mastery over the original trauma. Most victims state that they were ritually abused as part of satanic worship, for the purpose of indoctrinating them into satanic beliefs (Los Angeles County Commission for Women, 1989). Mind control is originally established when the victim is a child under 6 years old. During this formative stage of development, perpetrating cult members systematically combine dissociation enhancing drugs, pain, sexual assault, terror, and other forms of psychological abuse in such a way that the child dissociates the intolerable traumatic experience. The part of the child that has been split off to handle the overwhelming trauma is maximally open to suggestion as the abuse is occurring. The cult perpetrators exploit the vulnerability of the child who is being tortured by directing the child to create a new personality who is to answer to a particular name as well as to other specific cues. During the abuse, the newly formed alter personality is imbued with particular qualities and functions by the cult programmer. Alter personalities which are structured by the ritually abusing cult in this fashion are created to serve particular cult functions. These functions usually lie outside of the awareness of the core (or host) personality. Such cult functions typically include, but are not limited to, maintaining contact with the cult, reporting information to the cult, self-injuring if the cult injunctions are broken, and disrupting the therapeutic process that could lead to the individual breaking free of the cult (Neswald, 1991).
Ritualistic child abuse, psychopathology, and evil. By: Cozolino, L.J. – Journal of Psychology and Theology Volume 18, Issue 3 Fall 1990 p.218 Ritualistic abuse is an extreme form of psychological, physical, and sexual maltreatment of children in the context of “religious” ceremony. The clinical presentation of the victims of such abuse is complex and raises many issues related in the diagnosis and treatment of psychopathology as well as the importance of spiritual counseling. The acknowledgment of belief systems so repugnant to the Judeo-Christian world view and the addressing of our own negative emotional reactions to the reality of ritualistic abuse are important first steps in responding to these issues. The phenomenon of ritualistic child abuse forces us to consider the relationship between theological notions of evil and psychological concepts of psychopathology. This article addresses the phenomenon of ritualistic child abuse, the psychological sequelae of victimization, and possible motivations for this form of abuse. Psychological sequelae in adult females reporting childhood ritualistic abuse Kathy J. Lawrence, Louis Cozolino and David W. Foy – Child Abuse & Neglect Volume 19, Issue 8, August 1995, Pages 975-984 doi:10.1016/0145-2134(95)00059-H Abstract: The present study sought to increase current scientific knowledge about the controversial issue of subjectively reported childhood ritualistic abuse by addressing several key unresolved issues. In particular, the possibility that those reporting ritualistic abuse may be characterized primarily by the severity of their abuse histories or the severity of their present psychological symptoms, rather than the veridicality of the ritualistic events, was explored. Adult female outpatients reporting childhood sexual abuse with ritualistic features were compared with a second group of women who reported childhood sexual abuse without ritualism. Measures included characteristics of childhood sexual and physical abuse, current posttraumatic stress disorder (PTSD) diagnostic status and symptom severity, and severity of current dissociative experiences. Women reporting ritualistic features scored significantly higher on measures of childhood sexual and physical abuse. Neither PTSD diagnostic status nor severity for PTSD nor dissociative experiences were significantly different between the groups. While preliminary in nature, these results suggest that it may be helpful to conceptualize reported childhood ritualistic abuse as indicative of the need to assess carefully for severe abuse and its predictable sequelae within existing traumatic victimization conceptual frameworks. http://www.nctsnet.org/nctsn_assets/Articles/115.pdf
Why Cults Terrorize and Kill Children – LLOYD DEMAUSE The Journal of Psychohistory 21 (4) 1994 describes graphic crimes of abuse “Cult abuse is increasing, only that-as with the increase in all child abuse reports-we have become more open to hearing them. But it seemed unlikely that the surge of cult memories could all be made up by patients or implanted by therapists. Therapists are a timid group at best, and the notion that they suddenly begin implanting false memories in tens of thousands of their clients for no apparent reason strained credulity. Certainly no one has presented a shred of evidence for massive “false memory” implantations.” http://ritualabuse.us/ritualabuse/articles/why-cults-terrorize-and-kill-children-lloyd-demause-the-journal-of-psychohistory/
The Dark Tunnels of McMartin – Dr. Roland C. Summit The opportunity came in April, 1990 with permission from the new owner of the preschool to search for the tunnels before he demolished the building and redeveloped the property. These soiled but solid citizens managed to find what the district attorney had disclaimed: solid, scientific evidence that someone had not only dug tunnels under the preschool, but also had taken the trouble to try to undo them. The results of this definitive excavation are described in meticulous detail in the 185 page Report of the Archaeological Excavation of the McMartin Preschool Site by E. Gary Stickel, Ph.D., the UCLA archaeologist commissioned to do the study….Dr. Stickel’s report (p.95) concludes: There is no other scenario that fits all of the facts except that the feature was indeed a tunnel. The date of the construction and use of the tunnel was not absolutely established, but an assessment of seven factors of data all indicate that it was probably constructed, used and completely filled back in after 1966 (the construction date of the preschool). This age assessment has also been corroborated by the consulting Geologist for the project, Dr. Don Michael. http://ritualabuse.us/ritualabuse/articles/the-dark-tunnels-of-mcmartin-dr-roland-c-summit-journal-of-psychohistory/
Common Programs Observed in Survivors of Satanic Ritualistic Abuse describes crimes of abuse and programming techniques Increasingly, cases of Multiple Personality Disorder (MPD) and Satanic Ritualistic Abuse (SRA) are being reported in the psychotherapeutic community. Though controversy concerning authenticity remains, such cases are slowly gaining in acceptability as a genuine social and psychopathological phenomenon. Concurrently, the etiological underpinnings and treatment demands of these special patients are being unraveled and understood as never before. As a result, it is becoming increasingly clear that perhaps the most demanding treatment aspects of such cases concern the problems posed by what is known as “cult programming.” http://ritualabuse.us/ritualabuse/articles/common-programs-observed-in-survivors-of-satanic-ritualistic-abuse/
Report of the Ritual Abuse Task Force – Los Angeles County Commission for Women Ritual abuse is a brutal form of abuse of children, adolescents, and adults, consisting of physical, sexual, and psychological abuse, and involving the use of rituals. Ritual does not necessarily mean satanic. However, most survivors state that they were ritually abused as part of satanic worship for the purpose of indoctrinating them into satanic beliefs and practices. Ritual abuse rarely consists of a single episode. It usually involves repeated abuse over an extended period of time….Mind control is the cornerstone of ritual abuse, the key element in the subjugation and silencing of its victims. Victims of ritual abuse are subjected to a rigorously applied system of mind control designed to rob them of their sense of free will and to impose upon them the will of the cult and its leaders. Most often these ritually abusive cults are motivated by a satanic belief system [only on the surface.] The mind control is achieved through an elaborate system of brainwashing, programming, indoctrination, hypnosis, and the use of various mind-altering drugs. The purpose of the mind control is to compel ritual abuse victims to keep the secret of their abuse, to conform to the beliefs and behaviors of the cult, and to become functioning members who serve the cult by carrying out the directives of its leaders without being detected within society at large. http://ritualabuse.us/ritualabuse/articles/report-of-the-ritual-abuse-task-force-los-angeles-county-commission-for-women/
Believing Rachel JEANNE HILL The Journal of Psychohistory 24 (2) Fall 1996 describes graphic crimes of abuse Rachel’s story is one of suffering, courage and hope. As a young child she was the victim of unspeakable crimes, but because she received therapy and the support of a loving family, she has emerged intact. I hope that parents of other abused children will be reassured by our story. When I look at the strong, confident young woman my daughter is becoming, I know that believing Rachel was the right thing to do. Believing Rachel made her whole. http://ritualabuse.us/ritualabuse/articles/believing-rachel-jeanne-hill-the-journal-of-psychohistory/
Denying Ritual Abuse of Children – Catherine Gould The Journal of Psychohistory 22 (3) 1995 The evidence is rapidly accumulating that the problem of ritualabuse is considerable in scope and extremely grave in its consequences.Among 2,709 members of the American Psychological Association who responded to a poll, 2,292 cases of ritual abuse were reported(Bottoms, Shaver, & Goodman, 1993). In 1992 alone, Childhelp USA logged 1,741 calls pertaining to ritual abuse, Monarch Resources of Los Angeles logged approximately 5,000, Real Active Survivors tallied nearly 3,600, Justus Unlimited of Colorado received almost 7,000, and Looking Up of Maine handled around 6,000. Even allowing for some of these calls to have been made by people who assist survivors but are not themselves survivors, and for some survivors to have called more that one helpline or made multiple calls to the same helpline, these numbers suggest that at a minimum there must be tens of thousands of survivors of ritual abuse in the United States. Evidence also continues to accumulate that the ritual abuse of children constitutes a child abuse problem of significant scope. In1988, Finkelhor, Williams and Burns published the results of a nationwide study of substantiated reports of sexual abuse in day care involving 1,639 young child victims. Thirteen percent of these cases were found to involve ritual abuse. Other studies of ritually abused children have been relatively small. Kelly (1988; 1989; 1992a; 1992b;1993) report-ed on 35 day care victims of ritual abuse, Waterman et al.(1993) reported on 82 children complaining of ritual abuse in preschool, Faller (1988; 1990) studied 18 children who had disclosed ritual abuse in their preschool, and Bybee and Mowbray (1993) from the Michigan State Department of Mental Health identified 62 children alleging ritual abuse in their preschool and 53 children who reported seeing others be ritually abused. Snow and Sorenson (1990) studied 39 children reporting ritual abuse in five neighborhoods in Utah, and Jonker and Jonker-Bakker (1991) reported on a total group of 98 children, at least 48 of whom were believed to be victims of ritual abuse. http://ritualabuse.us/ritualabuse/articles/denying-ritual-abuse-of-children-catherine-gould/
McCulley, D. “Satanic ritual abuse: A question of memory.” Journal of Psychology and Theology Fall 1994 22(3) p.167-172 In spite of reports by thousands of adults who describe satanic ritual abuse in their backgrounds, the Special Issue of the Journal of Psychology and Theology reveals obdurate skepticism regarding their credibility on the part of several contributors. Some of these disbelievers currently are citing experiments demonstrating extreme malleability for human memory as evidence that survivor accounts, especially those involving delayed memory, are fantasies implanted by incompetent clinicians. However, leading memory researchers such as Dr. Bessel van der Kolk of Harvard Medical School maintain that traumatic memories, which typically are engraved in the sensorimotor processes, are not subject to the same kinds of contamination that can affect normal memory. Traumatic amnesia, described in the DSM-III-R as psychogenic amnesia, is a phenomenon which has been known to mental health professionals for more than 100 years. The clinically observed characteristics of traumatic memory formation and retrieval match precisely the patterns of memory recovery exhibited by SRA survivors, and strongly confirm the reality of their cult abuse. Quotes: If satanic ritual abuse is a question of memory, the data redound to the credibility of those thousands of individuals who identify themselves as SRA survivors. All the scientific studies of memory under trauma indicate that the bimodal response described by van der Kolk (1994), whether hyperpotentiated or dissociative, heightens the reliability of recall. The phenomenon of recovered memory is not a new therapeutic fad created by irresponsible clinical experimentation, but a well established aspect of trauma. The connection between trauma and memory disturbance is made clear by the definition of psychogenic amnesia in the DSM-III-R (1987) which states that “The predominant disturbance is one or more episodes of inability to recall important personal information, usually of a traumatic or stressful nature, that is too extensive to be explained by ordinary forgetfulness” (p. 273). Further, there often is corroboration for these retrieved memories. Judith Herman and Emily Schatzow (1992) found that in a sample of 53 women who disclosed memories of abuse for which they had been amnesic, 74% of the subjects were able to find independent confirmation from family members, pornographic photos, or diaries. Ivor Browne (1990a) found the “internal consistency of the traumatic account” persuasive, and also discovered that in the sizeable minority of cases where there was an available witness that “in every instance, the traumatic events . turn out to be true” (p. 30). There is no longer room for denial and disbelief – for evading the grim reality of SRA – by recourse to memory research which simply does not apply. Solid scientific inquiry does not allow us that luxury; neither should Christian conscience. https://wisdom.biola.edu/jpt
Jonker, F; Jonker-Bakker, I “Reaction to Benjamin Rossen’s Investigation of Satanic Ritual Abuse in Oude Pekela” Journal of Psychology and Theology 1992 20(3) p.260-262 quotes: The authors, Jonker and Jonker-Bakker, respond to Benjamin Rossen’s criticisms of their handling of an alleged satanic ritual abuse incident in Oude Pekela, The Netherlands. This response in turn criticizes the quality of Rossen’s scientific work, especially in respect to his judgments made without having had direct contact with the children or their parents, or other principals in the incident….All Rossen’s statements about the children and their parents, about Professor Mik, about school teachers and about ourselves were based on no contact whatsoever with any of us. https://wisdom.biola.edu/jpt
Ritual Abuse-Torture Within Families/Groups Authors: Jeanne Sarson, Linda MacDonald DOI: 10.1080/10926770801926146 Published in: Journal of Aggression, Maltreatment & Trauma, Volume 16,Issue 4 July 2008, pages 419 – 438 Abstract – Case studies provide insights into identifying 10 violent thematic issues as components of a pattern of family/group ritual abuse-torture (RAT) victimization. Narratives from victimized women suggest that victimization generally begins in infancy or soon thereafter. A visual model of RAT displays the organization of the co-culture. Examples of the family/group gatherings known as “rituals and ceremonies” provide insights into how these gatherings are used to normalize pedophilic violence. Global activism afforded the first effort ever to track RAT and human trafficking. Recognizing RAT as an emerging form of non-state actor torture, discontinuing the use of language that sexualizes adult-child relationships, and promoting human rights education are suggested social solutions. Available at : http://www.informaworld.com/index/903766904.pdf html article : http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/ftinterface~content=a903766904~fulltext=713240928
Organized abuse and the politics of disbelief – Michael Salter (p.243 – 283) Faculty of Law – Faculty of Medicine – University of New South Wales in Proceedings of the 2nd Australian & New Zealand Critical Criminology Conference 19 – 20 June 2008 Sydney, Australia – Presented by the Crime & Justice Research Network and the Australian and New Zealand Critical Criminology Network Edited by Chris Cunneen & Michael Salter – Published by The Crime and Justice research Newtork University of New South Wales December, 2008 http://www.academia.edu/2042170/Organised_abuse_and_the_politics_of_disbelief ISBN: 9780646507378 (pdf)
“Since the 1980s, disclosures of organised abuse have been disparaged by a range of activists, journalists and researchers who have focused, in particular, on cases in which sexually abusive groups were alleged to have behaved in ritualistic or ceremonial ways…Whilst these authors claimed to be writing in the interests of science and social justice, what has emerged from their writing are a familiar set of arguments about the credibility of women and children’s testimony of sexual violence; in short, that women and children are prone to a range of memory and cognitive errors that lead them to make false allegations of rape. This paper argues that this body of literature has systematically misconstrued allegations of organised abuse, and used organised abuse as a lens through which the debate on child abuse could be re-envisioned along very traditional lines, attributing victim status to accused men and constructing liars out of women and children complaining of sexual abuse.”
Journal of Child and Youth Care – ISSN 0840-982X – SPECIAL ISSUE 1990 – CONTENTS A Case of Multiple Life-Threatening Illnesses Related to Early Ritual Abuse Rennet Wong and Jock McKeen Ritual Child Abuse: A Survey of Symptoms and Allegations Pamela S. Hudson Satanic Ritual Abuse: A Cause of Multiple Personality Disorder George A. Fraser Differentiating Between Ritual Assault and Sexual Abuse Louise M. Edwards The Choice – Gerry Fewster http://www.cyc-net.org/Journals/jcyc/jcycSpecial1990.html
Recent worldwide survey of ritual abuse
The Extreme Abuse Survey final results are online with findings,questionnaires and presentations for download as pdf-files. More than 750 pages of documentation http://extreme-abuse-survey.net/ Understanding ritual trauma: A comparison of findings from three online surveys – Handout for Karriker, Wanda. (2008, November). Understanding ritual trauma: A comparison of findings from three online surveys. Paper presented at the meeting of the International Society for the Study of Trauma and Dissociation, Chicago, IL.
10 Extreme Abuse Survey Findings Helpful to Understanding Ritual Trauma
- Ritual abuse/mind control (RA/MC) is a global phenomenon.
- A diagnosis of Dissociative Identity Disorder is common for persons who report histories of RA/MC. (84% of EAS respondents who answered that they have been diagnosed with DID [N=655] reported that they are survivors of RA/MC).
- Ritual abuse (RA) is not limited to SRA, i.e., satanic ritual abuse, sadistic abuse, satanist abuse.
- RA is reported to involve mind control techniques.
- Some extreme abuse survivors report that they were used in government-sponsored mind control experimentation (GMC).
- RA/MC is reported to be involved in organized “known” crime.
- RA/MC is reported to be involved in clergy abuse.
- Most often reported memories of extreme abuse are similar across all surveys.
- Most often reported possible aftereffects of extreme abuse are similar across all surveys.
- In rating the effectiveness of healing methods, therapists tend to favor stabilization techniques; survivors are more open to alternative ways to cope with indoctrinated belief systems.
MEDIA PACKET – Torture-based, Government-sponsored Mind Control Experimentation on Children – Documentation that torture-based,government-sponsored mind control (GMC) experimentation was conducted on children during the Cold War. Data from two international surveys that give voice, visibility, and validation to survivors of these crimes against humanity….SURVEYS – EAS: Extreme Abuse Survey for Adult Survivors (An International Online Survey for Adult Survivors of Extreme Abuse) January 1 – March 30, 2007 with 1471 respondents from 31named countries. P-EAS: Professional – Extreme Abuse Survey (An nternational Online Survey for Therapists, Counselors, Clergy, and Other Persons Who Have Worked Professionally with at Least One Adult Survivor of Extreme Abuse) April 1 – June 30 2007 with 451 respondents from 20 named countries. Contact: Wanda Karriker, PhD [email protected] http://my.dmci.net/~casey/GovernmentSponsoredMindControlExperiments-MediaPacket.pdf
Rutz, C. Becker, T., Overkamp, B. & Karriker, W. (2008).Exploring Commonalities Reported by Adult Survivors of Extreme Abuse:Preliminary Empirical Findings. In Ritual Abuse in the Twenty-first Century: Psychological, Forensic, Social and Political Considerations,J.R. Noblitt & P. S. Perskin (Eds), pp. 31- 84. Brandon, Oregon:Robert D. Reed Publishers.
Becker, T., Karriker, W., Overkamp, B. Rutz, C. (2008). The Extreme Abuse Survey: preliminary findings regarding dissociative identity disorder. In A. Sachs & G. Galton (Eds.), Forensic Aspects of Dissociative Identity Disorder, pp. 32-49. London: Karnac. Karriker, Wanda (November, 2007). “Helpful healing methods: As rated by approximately 900 respondents to the “International Survey for AdultSurvivors of Extreme Abuse (EAS).” http://endritualabuse.org/data-on-survivors-of-ritual-abuse-mind-control-and-healing-methods/
Karriker, W. (2008, September). Torture-based mind control as a global phenomenon: Preliminary data from the 2007 series of Extreme Abuse Surveys. In Torture-based mind control: Empirical research, programmer methods, effects and treatment. Workshop conducted at the 13th International Conference on Violence, Abuse and Trauma, San Diego,CA. http://ritualabuse.us/mindcontrol/eas-studies/torture-based-mind-control-as-a-global-phenomenon/
Other organizations with data proving the worldwide existence of ritual abuse
A Nation Betrayed – The Chilling True Story of Secret Cold War Experiments Performed on our Children and Other Innocent People by Carol Rutz http://www2.dmci.net/users/casey
Pepinsky, H – PEACEMAKING – Reflections of a Radical Criminologist by Hal Pepinsky – The University of Ottawa Press ISBN10: 0776606409 2006 “I have mentioned that since 1993 I have come to know many people whom I believe to be genuine survivors of “ritual abuse.”
Craighead, W. E.; Corsini, R.J.; Nemeroff, C. B. (2002) The Corsini Encyclopedia of Psychology and Behavioral Science Published by John Wiley and Sons ISBN 0471270830 – Sadistic Ritual Abuse (p.1435 – 1438)
Day Care and Child Abuse Cases
http://ritualabuse.us/ritualabuse/articles/day-care-and-child-abuse-cases/ This page has information on the McMartin Preschool Case, Michelle Remembers, the Fells Acres – Amirault Case, the Wenatchee, Washington Case, the Dale Akiki Case, the Glendale Montessori – Toward case, the Little Rascals Day Care Center case, Fran’s Day Care case, the Baran case, the Halsey case, the West Memphis 3 case, the Friedman’s case and the Christchurch Civic Creche sex abuse – Peter Ellis case.
Sexual Abuse in Day Care: A National Study – Executive Summary – March 1988 – Finklehor, Williams, Burns, Kalinowski “The study identified 270 “cases” of sexual abuse in day care meaning 270 facilities where substantiated abuse had occurred involving a total of 1639 victimized children….This yielded an estimate of 500 to 550 reported and substantiated cases and 2500 victims for the three-year period. Although this is a large number, it must be put in the context of 229,000 day care facilities nationwide service seven million children….allegations of ritual abuse (“the invocation of religious, magical or supernatural symbols of activities”) occurred in 13% of the cases.” The authors divided these cases into “true cult-based ritual,” pseudo-ritualism” with a primary goal of sexual gratification and ritual being used to intimidate the children from disclosing and “psychopathological ritualism” the activities being “primarily the expression of an individuals obsessional or delusional system.” https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/Digitization/113095NCJRS.pdf